How can God be Jesus or Jesus God?

In discussions I've had with Trinitarians, I have found that no matter how much proof you can 'put on the table' Trinitarians will either ignore what you've said or offer some reason that just doesn't make sense. For example when Jesus prays to God in the Garden of Gethsemane they will say "God, when He was a man had the weaknesses of a man, so He prayed to himself to give himself strength etc" this is quite ridiculous and is something that I could never believe. They invent nonsensical terms such as 'Hypostatic Union' to explain the relationship of Jesus to God.

Yet Trinitarians have no explanation over the fact that the term 'god the son' is not even mentioned once.

Also, when you draw their attention to the fact that Jesus is referred to as the Son of God 49 times and Son of Man 89 times in the New Testament for this they have no explanation. Further, that Jesus being seated at the "Right Hand of God" is mentioned no fewer than eleven times. Why would God sit at the right hand of Himself? What further proof do we need that Jesus is not God? Yet Trinitarians say "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost" and have no explanation over the fact that the term 'God the Son' is not even mentioned once in the Bible. Their whole reasoning is confusing at best and God is not the author of confusion, man is!


What we've got to remember is that the Trinitarians have had 17 centuries in which to indoctrinate (deceive) the masses, and so many very nice genuinely religious, humble people have succumbed to this delusion. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie" As mentioned earlier, until very recently, every English bible translation had been translated by a Trinitarian, this is due in no uncertain measure to religious studies offered by the Universities. Syllabuses are designed around Trinitarian ideologies which future pastors/priests study and so the delusion passed on from generation to generation and so on to the masses. In all their studies students are only allowed to quote certain passages from scripture and then only if some 'recognised' author has written on the subject matter. Students will not get any marks for their own interpretations. This all increases the power of the clergy, and has led to the great apostasy that exists today.

What we've got to remember is that the Trinitarians have had 17 centuries in which to indoctrinate (deceive) the masses, and so many very nice genuinely religious humble people have succumbed to this delusion.

In Catholic theology, papal infallibility is the dogma that, by action of the Holy Spirit, the Pope is preserved from even the possibility of error. This doctrine was defined dogmatically in the First Vatican Council of 1870. This is another means by which Trinitarians world wide are kept in line with Catholic dogma.The Roman Catholic faith has shown a willingness to raise the pope above Jesus Christ and the Bible (and also above God Himself) by giving him the right to nullify Scripture through papal decrees. So today we have the Pope, who has been elevated above God's Word, controlling a vast political and financial organisation (in fact the richest organisation in the world), leaving us in no doubt that this is the great harlot of Revelations that has deceived the world.

Many movements over the years have had the Truth but have had the Truth eroded by this University system. A case in point is the Baptist church; their statement of faith given to King James in the 15th century is word for word the same as the Christadelphian Statement of Faith today. But you ask any modern day Baptist and he would not agree with (probably doesn't know) the original statement of faith of their church. Why the change? Because, when they got big enough as an organisation, they sent their pastors to study at Universities and left off studying the scriptures for themselves. So the saga goes on and the Trinitarian view of Jesus prevails and that is why the World will not recognise Jesus when He returns to set up God's Kingdom on earth. Revelations is quite clear on the matter as the 'harlot' (false religion) makes war against the Lamb (Jesus). Revelation 17:14 They shall fight with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them, for He is Master of masters and Sovereign of sovereigns. And those with Him are called, and chosen, and trustworthy.(Translation as per 'The Scriptures')


Some later translations of the bible have had to remove blatant additions to the Word of God such as 1 John 5v7, but other bad translations still remain, such as the first few sentences of John 1 v 1-3 and 14

Luke 1:32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. How much clearer can this scripture be?

A simple explanation of the first few versus of John is as follows: John chapter 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.....14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. Versus 1-3 In the beginning was the Plan (Logos or Word) of God. And where it says in verse 2 'He was in the beginning with God' this should read 'It was in the beginning with God'. It stands to reason that without the plan there would be no point in creation as there would be no hope. NB. It was the Plan that was in the beginning with God, not Jesus! And Verse 14 the birth and life of Jesus was the fulfilment of that plan. Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, 'My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,' Well what does begotten mean? It simply means - (of offspring) generated by procreation; "naturally begotten child" In the case of Jesus His Father was God procreated through the Holy Spirit but other than that He was born naturally of flesh. 2 John 1: 7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathise with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. How can God be tempted in all points as we are? What could the Almighty God achieve by 'minimising' Himself into the body of a man and then not sinning? How can God be His own Father? How can God die? Then be dead for 3 days? If God was dead for 3 days, who raised Him from the dead? And, who looked after the universe while He was dead? How can God be a mediator between man and Himself? How can God be seated at the right hand of Himself? Etc. I could go on, many more questions than answers. I must admit that I am totally at a loss to understand how anyone can believe that Jesus is God. But I give thanks to the great God of Israel for His Son Jesus who, with the same weakness of the flesh as myself, never sinned. Therefore He was not deserving of death, so God raised Him from the dead to sit on His (God's) right hand until that day when God sends Him back to this world to rule in righteousness, sitting on the throne of His father David, in Jerusalem. Luke 1: 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. How much clearer can this scripture be?